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    Quote Originally Posted by garns 4 View Post
    198-205 offensive yard production(which ever one it was), is pretty poor, that certainly has to improve and this offense HAS to get more consistent.
    garns 4, if we're gonna continue to run our O scheme out of a shotgun or pistol formation a receiver that catches passes for positive yardage against linebacker or safety coverage is mandatory, imho. Call that receiver whatever you want, a TE, an H back, a slot, a wing back, a half back, an A back, a B back, a full back, whatever.

    We've needed this element ever since we came out from under center when Coach Monken left. I can't believe how it hasn't been addressed even with this coaching staff. Plays have to be in the playbook. Personnel has to be recruited. Quarterbacks that get rid of the ball on time throwing receivers open. Receivers that beat coverage and go catch the ball. This should have been started under Fritz. Evidently it wasn't. Summers must not have known enough about offensive football to demand that it was taken care of. This staff has got to take care of it now or we're gonna continue to have to play against red zone defensive schemes every offensive play we run and I can't expect to see good things coming the rest of the season for our offensive production.

    Ya gotta be able to run the ball effectively to beat good defensive teams, but ya gotta be able to hurt those defenses with the pass to loosen things up for the run game to work. All of our really good O units of the past hurt defenses with the pass. And we scored a lot of touchdowns with those O units as evidenced by those banners we're able to fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIEAGLE View Post
    garns 4, if we're gonna continue to run our O scheme out of a shotgun or pistol formation a receiver that catches passes for positive yardage against linebacker or safety coverage is mandatory, imho. Call that receiver whatever you want, a TE, an H back, a slot, a wing back, a half back, an A back, a B back, a full back, whatever.

    We've needed this element ever since we came out from under center when Coach Monken left. I can't believe how it hasn't been addressed even with this coaching staff. Plays have to be in the playbook. Personnel has to be recruited. Quarterbacks that get rid of the ball on time throwing receivers open. Receivers that beat coverage and go catch the ball. This should have been started under Fritz. Evidently it wasn't. Summers must not have known enough about offensive football to demand that it was taken care of. This staff has got to take care of it now or we're gonna continue to have to play against red zone defensive schemes every offensive play we run and I can't expect to see good things coming the rest of the season for our offensive production.

    Ya gotta be able to run the ball effectively to beat good defensive teams, but ya gotta be able to hurt those defenses with the pass to loosen things up for the run game to work. All of our really good O units of the past hurt defenses with the pass. And we scored a lot of touchdowns with those O units as evidenced by those banners we're able to fly.
    I went back and watched the NC state game on YouTube (thank klak) and we threw lots of quick short 5 to 7 yard passes early and this might have softened the defense but who knows. But they were 7 yard turn arounds and it was quick and got the job done. We run a bazillion iz plays then punt start of every game no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt3412 View Post
    It should put the notion to bed, but I'm sure the same type of 42-7 predictions will be coming next year against Ole Miss.
    NO, you must combine the triple option ground attack with a QB that can hit 55% of his passes with backs that can catch a ball. If a triple option team can make 130-150 yards + on 15 passes that treat would open up the rushing game to the point that GSU should be able to rush the ball for 380 yards per game and allow us to score 38+ per game. The triple option is still the most potent ground game devised.

    We have done that before. the big problem is getting an option QB that can do that. The recovers dont have to be A+ if the QB has the touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    It honestly is pretty incredible that we have played 5 one score games against P5’s opponents in the past 6 years and we are 1-4. All 4 losses we have had the lead or been tied with under 2 minutes to play.
    PARTY ON HALF!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt3412 View Post
    I keep running this thought through my head. NC St. GT, UGA, Ole Miss, Minnesota. Where would the program be right now if we had won a few of those?
    We would be one of the most feared G5 teams in the nation. But that is already the case, look at who we are able to schedule and you will see it. There are not many Minnesota games left out there for us, we need to win the ones we can. Getting close against a lower P5 can't be good enough, because we are not quite to the level of knocking off those top P5 teams yet.

    I am more frustrated by all the close misses than I should be I guess, but I have seen the Braves and Falcons and Hawks and Georgia and Tech all get close and fail so many times I do not want us to EVER get used to losing those games. All of those teams got used to it, and it was hard to get out of that, some never have.

    When you look at the athletes Minnesota had and compare them to our guys there is not that much difference. Yeah one guy might be a little better, but that was not the case with LSU. They were better across the board. Several of our current players would start for the Gophers if they were to swap teams. Other than Bass no one on our team would start for LSU and even Bass would have a hard time knocking off the Tigers kicker.

    That is where the coaching comes in, many of us got spoiled with Erk and Paul, because if you were playing either of those guys you knew they could beat you with theirs, but they might beat theirs with yours, that is not the case right now with the Eagles coaching staff.

    My point in all this is should we look back on those close games and be proud of our guys, sure we should, it is human nature. But in many of these games this is no longer David vs Goliath, this is not even Boise State vs Oklahoma, these games that are winnable need to be won, because that is how you lure better players to come to your school. Yesterday Minnesota had 12 guys from Georgia on their team. Every team we have played in the last 30 years has had guys from Georgia and Florida on the team. We are not going to lure players away from Georgia, Florida, Florida State and Miami, but we need to get to the point where we are their next choice after those schools.
    The only way to do that is to win some of these games. Winning the Sunbelt 10 straight years and winning 8 of 10 bowl games might get us one or two of those guys in 10 years, but you start knocking off some of those bigger schools they start looking at you.

    We have come a long way, no doubt, but that can't be good enough. You get better by winning those kinds of games, and to win those games you have to play hard, you have to make plays, and you can't have stupid mistakes, but then you have to be able to make a plan to set your guys up to make one or two plays on both sides of the ball that make a difference in the game.

    Saturday we got the effort from the players. We have gotten the effort from the players multiple times dating back to the East Carolina games, but with one exception we have never done enough at all levels to put us over the hump. The coaches had a bad day yesterday, and have honestly had a bad year so far. It is time to fix these problems because there are at least two other teams in the Sunbelt that are better than Minnesota. We could still have a good year, we are close, but just as easily we could end up with 3 to 5 wins and wonder what happened to another year.

    We need to get these mistakes fixed now, because at this point our mulligans are over, and a 3 to 5 win season would need to be met with some major changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglerado View Post
    The sky isn't falling guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gsuwinsudont View Post
    Pointing out the obvious isn’t saying the sky is falling. That was a bad loss. Spinning it any other way is just burying your head in the sand.
    Man, Im not saying it didn't hurt. We could've won it, maybe should have.
    I'm not trying to spin the fact that we dropped a big opportunity here.

    But there are people on here who act like we're headed for a Tyson Summers outcome and I'm just saying that I don't think that's the case. Some of us are about a breath away from screaming for CL's head.

    Yes, some things need to get fixed. We got two weeks. We get Werts back. Then we get WK3 back and we aren't going to see a team better than Minnesota (personnel wise) the rest of the year.
    We played below what we are capable of. The effort was great.

    Some are acting like the team is at those low points under TS. These guys will run through a wall for Lunsford.

    I'm saying that outside LSU, we've seen losing these close games against a bigger conference team and came out fine on the season.
    Really, a lot of times.

    But it hurts, getting so close hurts like hell. But I see us getting better and the return of the starters will make us better. There were plays Saturday that I just believe Werts would've broke free they were sooo close, and like on that last drive, where Werts maybe scrambles us into field goal range like in the Bowl game.

    I just see light at the end of the tunnel right now, not doom and gloom that's all. Certainly pointing out areas we need improving is fair.
    But some of the comments made are just way over the top imop.
    Some folks panicking, for no reason. That's just my opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    You absolutely nailed it.

    My anger is directed at the coaches. This was probably the most winnable P5 we will see for a while (the marginal P5s won’t schedule us because of all these close calls.)

    I’m not saying I feel as bad as the TS era, but we really NEED to see that CL and staff get it. I have a bad feeling that these guys have started believing their own press too much. These guys need to have some serious critical analysis of their own performance.

    Offensive play calling has fallen off a cliff (that may be helped by having werts and WK3 back to run stuff designed for them.)

    But Defense coaching is having a LOT of issues. What was that last drive all about? We should have stopped them. They had three or four miracles to get down the field-all handed to them by an idiotic prevent defense. That is some seriously deficient decision making.

    And too many players on the field TWICE!!! I want to know exactly what the hell os being done about that!

    I am hoping this is just some kind of aberration. We normally get off to a slow start. I sure hope no one is “micromanaging” these decisions like ol Tyson did. I’m worried that something different is happening. Our defense was so much better all last year. I really think we could have stopped that drive easily playing like we did last season.
    Good Lord man.... might wanna consider lowering your caffeine intake. Seriously, do you actually think these coaches, whose livelihood basically comes down to wins/losses, don't evaluate themselves after every single game? I'd be willing to bet they go over their own play calls, etc before they start grading players. As for the prevent defense, yeah it inhales vigorously and you may consider it deficient decision making. But, take a look around a plethora of games in college and the pros and you'll see it EVERY SINGLE WEEK on more than one occasion. So, apparently our coaches aren't the only dumb-a$$es out there. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We got burned by it this week. We had players in position to make plays a couple of times on that drive and it didn't happen.

    I will say, out of that long rant, I agree with you on the too many players on the field happening twice.... that shouldn't happen again the rest of this season. Whoever is responsible for that needs CCL up his butt... and probably already has been.

    But if you want to know exactly what is being done about that, I'd suggest either calling and asking to talk to CCL or calling into the radio show next week and asking him if you MUST know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    You absolutely nailed it.

    My anger is directed at the coaches. This was probably the most winnable P5 we will see for a while (the marginal P5s won’t schedule us because of all these close calls.)

    I’m not saying I feel as bad as the TS era, but we really NEED to see that CL and staff get it. I have a bad feeling that these guys have started believing their own press too much. These guys need to have some serious critical analysis of their own performance.

    Offensive play calling has fallen off a cliff (that may be helped by having werts and WK3 back to run stuff designed for them.)

    But Defense coaching is having a LOT of issues. What was that last drive all about? We should have stopped them. They had three or four miracles to get down the field-all handed to them by an idiotic prevent defense. That is some seriously deficient decision making.

    And too many players on the field TWICE!!! I want to know exactly what the hell os being done about that!

    I am hoping this is just some kind of aberration. We normally get off to a slow start. I sure hope no one is “micromanaging” these decisions like ol Tyson did. I’m worried that something different is happening. Our defense was so much better all last year. I really think we could have stopped that drive easily playing like we did last season.
    First of all, chill.

    Second of all, Ole Miss next year is ABSOLUTELY winnable. We should have won that game in 2016 as well if we didn't have one of the worst HC hires in history. Arkansas is a winnable game. Even Wisconsin and Nebraska are. It's obvious you're not paying attention to our future schedules.

    Third of all, the defense played a damn good game. Yes there were missed tackles that need to be addressed. 5 sacks and 11 TFLs is a performance we don't typically see. Yes the coverage decision on 3rd down was a bad one, but it doesn't mean the defensive staff are idiots. We had 2 miracle plays go in our favor to take the lead, so the sword cuts both ways if you want to go down that road.

    Fourth, offensive playcalling has not fallen off a cliff. It's actually really good. I rewatched the first drive last night and counted at least one missed/poor block by the OL in each play. The TD on the play after the INT wasn't blocked necessarily well either, but Wright was able to squeeze through the line and break some tackles. We can't count on that happening all the time. Our OL performance is a function of the dysfunction induced into our roster from bad hiring decisions in Dec 2015 and propagating forward. OL problems are not something you fix in one year, or really even two. It's going to take time to fix the problems we have.

    Lunsford gets it. Fortunately for us he's also able to measure his responses in public unlike some people out here.

    Yes we're all upset. Yes there are problems. Yes there are mistakes being made that need to be corrected. However people also need to calm the hell down. Ranting and raving really accomplishes nothing but getting everyone spun up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglewraith View Post
    First of all, chill.

    Second of all, Ole Miss next year is ABSOLUTELY winnable. We should have won that game in 2016 as well if we didn't have one of the worst HC hires in history. Arkansas is a winnable game. Even Wisconsin and Nebraska are. It's obvious you're not paying attention to our future schedules.

    Third of all, the defense played a damn good game. Yes there were missed tackles that need to be addressed. 5 sacks and 11 TFLs is a performance we don't typically see. Yes the coverage decision on 3rd down was a bad one, but it doesn't mean the defensive staff are idiots. We had 2 miracle plays go in our favor to take the lead, so the sword cuts both ways if you want to go down that road.

    Fourth, offensive playcalling has not fallen off a cliff. It's actually really good. I rewatched the first drive last night and counted at least one missed/poor block by the OL in each play. The TD on the play after the INT wasn't blocked necessarily well either, but Wright was able to squeeze through the line and break some tackles. We can't count on that happening all the time. Our OL performance is a function of the dysfunction induced into our roster from bad hiring decisions in Dec 2015 and propagating forward. OL problems are not something you fix in one year, or really even two. It's going to take time to fix the problems we have.

    Lunsford gets it. Fortunately for us he's also able to measure his responses in public unlike some people out here.

    Yes we're all upset. Yes there are problems. Yes there are mistakes being made that need to be corrected. However people also need to calm the hell down. Ranting and raving really accomplishes nothing but getting everyone spun up.
    'wraith takin' us to CHURCH!! Thank you sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglewraith View Post
    First of all, chill.

    Second of all, Ole Miss next year is ABSOLUTELY winnable. We should have won that game in 2016 as well if we didn't have one of the worst HC hires in history. Arkansas is a winnable game. Even Wisconsin and Nebraska are. It's obvious you're not paying attention to our future schedules.

    Third of all, the defense played a damn good game. Yes there were missed tackles that need to be addressed. 5 sacks and 11 TFLs is a performance we don't typically see. Yes the coverage decision on 3rd down was a bad one, but it doesn't mean the defensive staff are idiots. We had 2 miracle plays go in our favor to take the lead, so the sword cuts both ways if you want to go down that road.

    Fourth, offensive playcalling has not fallen off a cliff. It's actually really good. I rewatched the first drive last night and counted at least one missed/poor block by the OL in each play. The TD on the play after the INT wasn't blocked necessarily well either, but Wright was able to squeeze through the line and break some tackles. We can't count on that happening all the time. Our OL performance is a function of the dysfunction induced into our roster from bad hiring decisions in Dec 2015 and propagating forward. OL problems are not something you fix in one year, or really even two. It's going to take time to fix the problems we have.

    Lunsford gets it. Fortunately for us he's also able to measure his responses in public unlike some people out here.

    Yes we're all upset. Yes there are problems. Yes there are mistakes being made that need to be corrected. However people also need to calm the hell down. Ranting and raving really accomplishes nothing but getting everyone spun up.

    About the only issue I have with play calling is a lack of any up tempo stuff. Several times against Minnesota, I felt like we could have gotten back to the line and run a play immediately and been able to take advantage of them... even if we simply ran the same play again. I understand we want to control the clock and limit the other team's offensive possessions... but you also have to take advantage when you can and quick snapping can help.
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